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		<title>By: Christy</title>
		<link>http://www.joelfeder.com/2010/01/28/toyota-the-hits-keep-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek, I still maintain that this is an opinion blog, and not to be relied on for what to do if you own a Toyota. Stop making this into what it isn&#039;t. I&#039;m not defending shoddy journalism. I&#039;m defending the space for people to post their observations, whether we agree with them or not. 

Yes, I backed you and Banovsky up that this needs improvement. Brian&#039;s approach was much more direct and useful. Bashing people is a long-routed way to call for improvement. Although, maybe it took your anger at Joel to give Brian the in to say what he did and get Joel to look at this as a way to improve. It would have been sad if you and I just kept battling over who&#039;s right.

If the Detroit Free Press had posted this, then, yes, he would have been responsible for some attribution, like who said what and when, and links to recall notices and statements from Toyota. Maybe if you were genuinely concerned that he could be sued by Toyota, these comments might have played out differently. But, just as bad journalism irkes us both, I&#039;m more bothered by people who seem to enjoy criticising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, I still maintain that this is an opinion blog, and not to be relied on for what to do if you own a Toyota. Stop making this into what it isn&#8217;t. I&#8217;m not defending shoddy journalism. I&#8217;m defending the space for people to post their observations, whether we agree with them or not. </p>
<p>Yes, I backed you and Banovsky up that this needs improvement. Brian&#8217;s approach was much more direct and useful. Bashing people is a long-routed way to call for improvement. Although, maybe it took your anger at Joel to give Brian the in to say what he did and get Joel to look at this as a way to improve. It would have been sad if you and I just kept battling over who&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>If the Detroit Free Press had posted this, then, yes, he would have been responsible for some attribution, like who said what and when, and links to recall notices and statements from Toyota. Maybe if you were genuinely concerned that he could be sued by Toyota, these comments might have played out differently. But, just as bad journalism irkes us both, I&#8217;m more bothered by people who seem to enjoy criticising.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Driggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Driggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to hear, Joel.  

If we never fail, we never learn.  Everything is a learning process.  Chalk it up to cognitive dissonance.  Often, when we&#039;re faced with facts that defy our beliefs, we will emotionally argue in defense of our beliefs and revel in the resulting endorphin rush.

So often, &quot;What if&quot; scenarios focus on negative outcomes and, for that reason, I try to avoid them.  What if these recalls cost jobs up and down the supply chain?  What if GM realizes a boost in sales that speeds their recovery because of this?  What if this all serves to further prove that the TV-watching American public are, for the most part, mindless sheep looking to place blame for another problem easily resolved with a little personal responsibility?

It&#039;s easy to stand on the sidelines and point fingers at others.  Stepping into the game and offering solutions for discussion and debate requires more thought and consideration.  I like that more.  It&#039;s something with which I struggle every time I click the &quot;New Post&quot; button.  We are either part of the problem or part of the solution.  Cliche, I know, but true.

&quot;It does not matter how slow you go, so long as you do not stop.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to hear, Joel.  </p>
<p>If we never fail, we never learn.  Everything is a learning process.  Chalk it up to cognitive dissonance.  Often, when we&#8217;re faced with facts that defy our beliefs, we will emotionally argue in defense of our beliefs and revel in the resulting endorphin rush.</p>
<p>So often, &#8220;What if&#8221; scenarios focus on negative outcomes and, for that reason, I try to avoid them.  What if these recalls cost jobs up and down the supply chain?  What if GM realizes a boost in sales that speeds their recovery because of this?  What if this all serves to further prove that the TV-watching American public are, for the most part, mindless sheep looking to place blame for another problem easily resolved with a little personal responsibility?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to stand on the sidelines and point fingers at others.  Stepping into the game and offering solutions for discussion and debate requires more thought and consideration.  I like that more.  It&#8217;s something with which I struggle every time I click the &#8220;New Post&#8221; button.  We are either part of the problem or part of the solution.  Cliche, I know, but true.</p>
<p>&#8220;It does not matter how slow you go, so long as you do not stop.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Feder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Feder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian I have taken the comments to heart.  You could not be more right.  I was all about being different at NAIAS.  Taking a step back and learning from all these comments will help me in the long run.  I have taken them in stride and will use it as a learning experience. Sting as it may sometimes it is necessary to fall and learn from our mistakes.  The important part is to learn from mistakes and pick ourselves back up.  

I have no doubt in my mind that while this still put the hurt on Toyota&#039;s sales numbers in January and February they will be back and dominating soon.  The question is more of a what if scenario.  What if this gets people talking and they do not just stroll into that Toyota dealership for the next car.  Time will tell how this all plays out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian I have taken the comments to heart.  You could not be more right.  I was all about being different at NAIAS.  Taking a step back and learning from all these comments will help me in the long run.  I have taken them in stride and will use it as a learning experience. Sting as it may sometimes it is necessary to fall and learn from our mistakes.  The important part is to learn from mistakes and pick ourselves back up.  </p>
<p>I have no doubt in my mind that while this still put the hurt on Toyota&#8217;s sales numbers in January and February they will be back and dominating soon.  The question is more of a what if scenario.  What if this gets people talking and they do not just stroll into that Toyota dealership for the next car.  Time will tell how this all plays out.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Driggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Driggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Gaspedalgate post, another back aching for the lash!  

Joel (and others), I would charge you with taking the chastising in these comments and learning from it.  Sure, some of the comments might have been hard to swallow.  Being publicly rebuked stings even more than a bitch slap in private.

Recall a few weeks back, during the Detroit Auto Snore, how refreshing it felt to be reporting on something different; the excitement of being there and covering the big event, but doing so from a unique perspective.  To succumb to mass media-style fear mongering is a step in the wrong direction.

Anyone can publish a speculative story replete with details of Scarlet Letter treatment and admonishment of Toyota as the Antichrist, but the core of true journalistic excellence is a well balanced perspective.  You&#039;ve got to temper the prevailing hysteria with logic and reason, and offer up substance which makes your content stand out.

I&#039;d comment on Derek being a poop mouth, but if his, and Banovsky&#039;s, comments push you to improve your writing game, then I think they stand to be some of the most valuable comments you&#039;ve ever received.

Besides, in a couple months, Toyota will be back to selling a shit ton of new cars and dominating the market like usual.  The GM c-suite is no doubt enjoying this time out of the auto industry failure spotlight.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Gaspedalgate post, another back aching for the lash!  </p>
<p>Joel (and others), I would charge you with taking the chastising in these comments and learning from it.  Sure, some of the comments might have been hard to swallow.  Being publicly rebuked stings even more than a bitch slap in private.</p>
<p>Recall a few weeks back, during the Detroit Auto Snore, how refreshing it felt to be reporting on something different; the excitement of being there and covering the big event, but doing so from a unique perspective.  To succumb to mass media-style fear mongering is a step in the wrong direction.</p>
<p>Anyone can publish a speculative story replete with details of Scarlet Letter treatment and admonishment of Toyota as the Antichrist, but the core of true journalistic excellence is a well balanced perspective.  You&#8217;ve got to temper the prevailing hysteria with logic and reason, and offer up substance which makes your content stand out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d comment on Derek being a poop mouth, but if his, and Banovsky&#8217;s, comments push you to improve your writing game, then I think they stand to be some of the most valuable comments you&#8217;ve ever received.</p>
<p>Besides, in a couple months, Toyota will be back to selling a shit ton of new cars and dominating the market like usual.  The GM c-suite is no doubt enjoying this time out of the auto industry failure spotlight.  <img src='http://www.joelfeder.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Michael Banovsky, joel feder, Ryan Geyer, Nick Iliff, Nick Iliff and others. Nick Iliff said: good #ToyotaRecall article by @joelfeder http://is.gd/7f1hd I&#039;m still going for #Toyocalypse, though... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Michael Banovsky, joel feder, Ryan Geyer, Nick Iliff, Nick Iliff and others. Nick Iliff said: good #ToyotaRecall article by @joelfeder <a href="http://is.gd/7f1hd" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/7f1hd</a> I&#39;m still going for #Toyocalypse, though&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Kreindler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Kreindler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sally - Yes, I have worked for the Canadian national sports broadcaster, been published in a major Men&#039;s magazine, and currently have a column at Speed:Sport:Life. The blog is merely for my own edification. Joel gave his opinion, but also asserted some things that, accordingly to journalistic convention, must carry some kind of attribution. If this were any sort of basic reporting class, this piece of writing would fail miserably.

Christy - Making excuses for shoddy work doesn&#039;t advance things either. You can ignore my comments as vitriol, but the fact remains that some of the assertions made are far outside the realm of what is considered acceptable, and people should be held to account for opinions and unsubstantiated research passed off as fact. I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally &#8211; Yes, I have worked for the Canadian national sports broadcaster, been published in a major Men&#8217;s magazine, and currently have a column at Speed:Sport:Life. The blog is merely for my own edification. Joel gave his opinion, but also asserted some things that, accordingly to journalistic convention, must carry some kind of attribution. If this were any sort of basic reporting class, this piece of writing would fail miserably.</p>
<p>Christy &#8211; Making excuses for shoddy work doesn&#8217;t advance things either. You can ignore my comments as vitriol, but the fact remains that some of the assertions made are far outside the realm of what is considered acceptable, and people should be held to account for opinions and unsubstantiated research passed off as fact. I</p>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek, I&#039;m not defending the state of journalism. Nor am I here to get into a philosophical battle over good and evil. I&#039;m just pointing out that we&#039;re making much more of this than it is. I&#039;m not even sure this blog is meant to be straight-up news reporting. It&#039;s Joel&#039;s blog. It&#039;s a blog. Nothing more.

The interesting point here is that Toyota is probably watching conversations like this, and they should. Right or wrong, people have their opinions. Joel chose to recount some of those conversations. Call it market research and work on being as good of a reporter as you can be. Let Joel be as good of a social media specialist as he can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, I&#8217;m not defending the state of journalism. Nor am I here to get into a philosophical battle over good and evil. I&#8217;m just pointing out that we&#8217;re making much more of this than it is. I&#8217;m not even sure this blog is meant to be straight-up news reporting. It&#8217;s Joel&#8217;s blog. It&#8217;s a blog. Nothing more.</p>
<p>The interesting point here is that Toyota is probably watching conversations like this, and they should. Right or wrong, people have their opinions. Joel chose to recount some of those conversations. Call it market research and work on being as good of a reporter as you can be. Let Joel be as good of a social media specialist as he can be.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally McCarbuyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally McCarbuyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek, I definitely get your point about it being &quot;ramblings&quot; like many blogs are, but what qualifies you as the Grim Reaper of journalist integrity?  Are you a published automotive writer or just a rambling &quot;rank amateur&quot; like your blog demonstrates?  Just curious seeing as you are a bit harsh with Joel who simply &quot;gave [his] opinion.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, I definitely get your point about it being &#8220;ramblings&#8221; like many blogs are, but what qualifies you as the Grim Reaper of journalist integrity?  Are you a published automotive writer or just a rambling &#8220;rank amateur&#8221; like your blog demonstrates?  Just curious seeing as you are a bit harsh with Joel who simply &#8220;gave [his] opinion.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Most Tweeted Articles by Automotive Experts: MrTweet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Most Tweeted Articles by Automotive Experts: MrTweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Derek Kreindler</title>
		<link>http://www.joelfeder.com/2010/01/28/toyota-the-hits-keep-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Kreindler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really need to think about what you write before you hit the &quot;publish&quot; button. Not only does your poorly worded analysis add little  to this debate, some of your comments may be downright libelous. 

Christy - if this is what passes for &quot;reporting&quot; then journalism is officially dead. There is nothing even approaching attribution for any of the claims made in the article, just the poorly worded (and legally questionable) ramblings of a rank amateur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really need to think about what you write before you hit the &#8220;publish&#8221; button. Not only does your poorly worded analysis add little  to this debate, some of your comments may be downright libelous. </p>
<p>Christy &#8211; if this is what passes for &#8220;reporting&#8221; then journalism is officially dead. There is nothing even approaching attribution for any of the claims made in the article, just the poorly worded (and legally questionable) ramblings of a rank amateur.</p>
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